How is the quickest, simplest and cheapest way to get a good pair of keys

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How is the quickest, simplest and cheapest way to get a pair private + public key, PGP and GPG and openPG, etc compatible (it is ok to forget very old versions), legal and free to private and company use, with validity 2014-2020.

I do have a valid 2007-2014 pair, but since 2007 I have not studied the problem. At that time I have used win4gpg or something that sounds like that. Here windows SEVEN.


Also appreciated any additional advice ONLY IF NEEDED to create the pair, such as;


key length,


subjacent problem (prime factorization, discrete logarithm, elliptic curve, other?)


key distribution and infrastructure (I do not want to give away my email address!)


digital signature method


etc


any info, links, etc, with less then 7 years will be appreciated


Thanks all


Jose Simoes

[Robert J. Hansen]

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How is the quickest, simplest and cheapest way to get a pair private
+ public key, PGP and GPG and openPG, etc compatible (it is ok to
forget very old versions), legal and free to private and company
use, with validity 2014-2020.

I like to recommend Mozilla Thunderbird as an email client, with GnuPG
and Enigmail for email cryptography support. The next time you start
Thunderbird after installing Enigmail, you'll get the chance to run a
setup wizard which will allow you to do all these tasks.

Best advice for generating a new keypair: whenever possible, stick
with the defaults. They were chosen to provide excellent security for
the overwhelming majority of users.




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Post by o***@gmail.com
How is the quickest, simplest and cheapest way to get a pair private +
public key, PGP and GPG and openPG, etc compatible (it is ok to forget
very old versions), legal and free to private and company use, with
validity 2014-2020.
I do have a valid 2007-2014 pair, but since 2007 I have not studied the
problem. At that time I have used win4gpg or something that sounds like
that. Here windows SEVEN.

Download and install the latest GPG4Win: http://gp4win.org/download.html

You can use your previous key if you still have it.

Post by o***@gmail.com
Also appreciated any additional advice ONLY IF NEEDED to create the pair,
such as; key length,
subjacent problem (prime factorization, discrete logarithm, elliptic curve, other?)

Your previous key may use the existing defaults, you may extend its life
with a new self-signature.

Otherwise, stick with the defaults. ECC is still in development. RSA and DSA
are available public key choices. In either case, after 3072 bit key
lengths, the action shifts to ECC.

Post by o***@gmail.com
key distribution and infrastructure (I do not want to give away my email address!)

The key servers, but operating two and being a SKS dev, I perhaps am a bit
biased.

Why do you not wish to reveal your email address? It provides the easiest
mechanism for correspondents to find your public key. Without, you will need
to send them your key before they can encrypt to you.

If your are hiding your email address from you key ID to avoid SPAM, I'll
share a short, but very blunt, remark: You are wasting your and your
correspondent's time and ONLY making it more difficult for those who would
use crypto when communicating with you to do so.

Does keyserver address harvesting happen? Possibly, maybe probably.
Does SPAM result from this harvesting? Maybe, I haven't been able to prove
that it does. The only thing I can comfortably conclude from my own work is
that the volume of SPAM from an email address being on a key is
statistically indistinguishable from random email address SPAM. You'll get
more SPAM from posting to an email list such as this than you will from your
address being on a keyserver.

Why is this? I don't know, but I'll hazard the guess that crypto users are a
high effort, low volume, low value target for SPAMmers. They're the folks
most likely to have good filtering and blocking already in place. SPAM is a
low cost high volume operation -- crypto users aren't worth the effort.
Fighting SPAM by obscurity and whack-a-mole email address changes only make
others efforts at communicating more difficult and, some may feel, not worth
the added bother.

Post by o***@gmail.com
digital signature method

Again, the defaults.

I'll second my friend Rob's suggestion of Thunderbird/Seamonkey mail with
the Enigmail extension and GnuPG. (Again, I'll advise of self bias.)

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Post by John Clizbe
Does keyserver address harvesting happen? Possibly, maybe probably.

Although I agree with John, I think I may be able to lend some
additional perspective.

The idea that spammers keep lists of email addresses is, at this point
in the net's history, probably historical fiction. I don't doubt that
some spammers work that way, just like I don't doubt there are some
people still running Windows 98 -- but harvesting email addresses and
keeping lists of them is very, very Y2K, and probably hasn't been true
for some years. Widespread consumer-grade broadband and the rise of
large botnets have dramatically changed the business of spamming.

To compile a list of every login name eight characters or less
requires just 20 billion entries. Using a botnet of 200,000 machines
and spamming every login name eight characters or less at each of the
top 10,000 ISPs requires that each host in the botnet send about a
billion emails. That's a month of work. Using some simple math and
statistics tricks (Zipf's law, Markov modeling, et. al.) you can
reduce this down to literally a couple of hours while still hitting

Post by John Clizbe
95% of available targets.

At this point in the net's development, anyone who is trying to keep
their email address from getting harvested is trying to defeat Y2K
spam technologies when the spammers are already playing 2K14.



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I rely only on my "Mrs. Bun" instinct to get rid of spam.

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FACT: I seldom receive spam and I do not use any anti-spam filter (I
use a black list but that is irrelevant against professional
spammers). I do not use filters because of false positives.

Generally speaking, everyone uses antispam technologies. The only question is whether they know it. You may not have a spam filter on your MUA, but your upstream ISP quite likely has comprehensive spam mechanisms on your MTA. And if it doesn't, the other servers that relay email to you almost certainly do. At this point in history, antispam technologies are pervasively (and largely invisibly) deployed.

Like you, I don't use any spam filter on my MUA. My MTA has some fairly strong mechanisms that are invisible to me. It works well: I get a couple of pieces a day on an address that I've been consistently using for about a decade now.

How do you explain that?

Don't, can't, not interested in trying -- there are literally thousands of relevant related pieces of data that could affect a specific answer for your specific case, and I'm not going to invest the time required to give you a detailed analysis specific to your particular case. :)





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Thanks for your inside, but I do disagree.
FACT: I seldom receive spam and I do not use any anti-spam filter (I use
a black list but that is irrelevant against professional spammers). I do
not use filters because of false positives.

As Rob pointed out, why YOU seldom receive SPAM has too many relevant
variables, and I also am not going to invest time in addressing your
particular case, since it itself is the greatest unknown.

As for SPAM filtering, I use the mechanisms builtin to Mozilla's (i.e.
Seamonkey & Thunderbird) mail-news platform. It's been ages since I've seen
a false+. (I also harvest any SPAM my ISPs tag and use it to train the
filters. They have many more false positives and false negatives than I do.)
YMMV.

My point was, and still is, iff keyserver SPAM occurs, it is in a volume
*indistinguishable* from random Internet noise.

I have addresses related to the management of my keyservers. They are
publicly used and on keys. I average 3 pieces of SPAM per month. Again YMMV.

How do you explain that?

BUT
I am paranoid about the situations I give my TRUE email addresses. Only
person-to-person.

If you are paranoid, then no amount of reason will sway your opinion. Keep
your 'SPAM-free by obscurity' approach, just know that it is one of the more
brittle of SPAM control measures.

You asked for free advice. You're free to ignore or follow it. You're not
paying for it, so you shouldn't expect us to invest time arguing it.

- -J

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At this point in the net's development, anyone who is trying to keep
their email address from getting harvested is trying to defeat Y2K
spam technologies when the spammers are already playing 2K14.



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Thanks for your inside, but I do disagree.

FACT: I seldom receive spam and I do not use any anti-spam filter (I use a black list but that is irrelevant against professional spammers). I do not use filters because of false positives.


How do you explain that?


BUT


I am paranoid about the situations I give my TRUE email addresses. Only person-to-person.

Jose Simoes

[Robert J. Hansen]

FACT: I seldom receive spam and I do not use any anti-spam filter
(I use a black list but that is irrelevant against professional
spammers). I do not use filters because of false positives.

Generally speaking, everyone uses antispam technologies. The only
question is whether they know it. You may not have a spam filter on
your MUA, but your upstream ISP quite likely has comprehensive spam
mechanisms on your MTA. And if it doesn't, the other servers that
relay email to you almost certainly do. At this point in history,
antispam technologies are pervasively (and largely invisibly) deployed.

Like you, I don't use any spam filter on my MUA. My MTA has some
fairly strong mechanisms that are invisible to me. It works well: I
get a couple of pieces a day on an address that I've been consistently
using for about a decade now.

How do you explain that?

Don't, can't, not interested in trying -- there are literally
thousands of relevant related pieces of data that could affect a
specific answer for your specific case, and I'm not going to invest
the time required to give you a detailed analysis specific to your
particular case. :)



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Post by John Clizbe
Does keyserver address harvesting happen? Possibly, maybe probably.

...
The idea that spammers keep lists of email addresses is, at this point
in the net's history, probably historical fiction. I don't doubt that
some spammers work that way, just like I don't doubt there are some
people still running Windows 98 -- but harvesting email addresses and
keeping lists of them is very, very Y2K, and probably hasn't been true
for some years. Widespread consumer-grade broadband and the rise of
large botnets have dramatically changed the business of spamming.

To compile a list of every login name eight characters or less
requires just 20 billion entries. Using a botnet of 200,000 machines
and spamming every login name eight characters or less at each of the
top 10,000 ISPs requires that each host in the botnet send about a
billion emails. That's a month of work. Using some simple math and
statistics tricks (Zipf's law, Markov modeling, et. al.) you can
reduce this down to literally a couple of hours while still hitting

Post by John Clizbe
95% of available targets.

At this point in the net's development, anyone who is trying to keep
their email address from getting harvested is trying to defeat Y2K
spam technologies when the spammers are already playing 2K14.


***************************


Your numbers do not check because virtually all ISPs do not allow any ordinary user (or botnet) to send more them, say, 100 emails/hour (except in special, justified, surveyed and payed cases).


This should dump the capacity of the botnets for several orders of magnitude.


But I am very interested in the subject.


Can you suggest any link(s) or book(s) or so (I am a pro in a wide range of subjects, so I can read, at advanced level, IT, physics, math).


Books only if available in a on-line store or equivalent, please.

[Robert J. Hansen]

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Your numbers do not check because virtually all ISPs do not allow any
ordinary user (or botnet) to send more them, say, 100 emails/hour
(except in special, justified, surveyed and payed cases).

You don't understand how the spamming business model works, and that's
okay, nobody expects you to. But don't think that just because you
haven't seen a way around these problems that the spammers haven't. The
major spam rings pay good money for top-drawer talent -- and really good
money for ways to get around rate-limiting, graylisting, RBLs, and more.

Post by o***@gmail.com
Can you suggest any link(s) or book(s) or so (I am a pro in a wide range
of subjects, so I can read, at advanced level, IT, physics, math).

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_ylo=2013&q=spam&hl=en


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Post by John Clizbe
Why do you not wish to reveal your email address? It provides the easiest
mechanism for correspondents to find your public key. Without, you will need
to send them your key before they can encrypt to you.

I don't know the OP's reasons, but I choose to keep email addresses
out of my keys because I use different email addresses for different
purposes, and change some of them regularly.

The effect of putting my email addresses in my key UIDs would be that
cursory inspection of my key would reveal a list of email addresses
not relevant to my communication with the person inspecting it, many
of which would be no longer in use.

I have no wish to share this extra information with every
correspondent, and there is no useful means of including it in an
obscured fashion. I could use a different key for each email address.

The effect of _not_ putting my email addresses in my key UIDs is to
preclude opportunistic encryption and make life harder for
correspondents who already have my key.

Post by John Clizbe
If your are hiding your email address from you key ID to avoid SPAM, I'll
share a short, but very blunt, remark: You are wasting your and your
correspondent's time and ONLY making it more difficult for those who would
use crypto when communicating with you to do so.

I uploaded a key to the keyservers in March 2010 with a UID containing
an email address that I have never used for anything else. Four years
with that email address published on the keyservers has not resulted
in it receiving a single email.
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Welcome to the group!
All very imperfect, and pretty much all works in progress, but maybe evaluate these:
http://bitwiseshiftleft.github.io/sjcl/
http://www.mailvelope.com/faq
https://webpg.org/
all the while keeping in mind:
http://www.matasano.com/articles/javascript-cryptography/
Good luck!
Pete
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